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Posted : Wednesday, 04 October 2017, 02:26
TomToad
What a blatant and deliberately misleading article. Point #1 talks about correlation between gun ownership and mass shootings, and even shows a chart. However, the chart shows no correlation. France and Germany have 3x the mass shootings than Switzerland, despite having about 1/3 fewer guns. Canada has 2x. If there were a real correlation, the numbers would fairly match down both columns. If you removed the US from that chart, you would see no patterns whatsoever. The article even mentions it briefly
The relation disappears when the United States is withdrawn from the analysis.

Point#2 seems like it would be just an observation, but later in the article, they state that mass shooting definition has changed allowing more incidents to be labeled mass shooting. How would the numbers look if you used a consistent criteria.

The US is a statistical anomaly. 95% of these charts I see show nothing unless the US is thrown in. If you compared mass shootings to the number of tornadoes, you would get similar results.

The US does have a real problem with gun violence. There is no denying it. Unfortunately, there are people using these tragedies to push through gun control agendas, rather than addressing the real issues. On August 19, 1 person died and 19 injured from an attack by a neo-nazi. He used a car. He did not think "I have a car, who can I kill with it?" rather he thought, "I hate all these anti-confederate protesters, what can I use to kill them?" I don't know if its something in the water, television, education, or bad parenting, but something is making people want to kill, and it is not guns. Guns are just a convenient tool, take it away and they will find something else.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have gun control laws. They can be a good thing when done properly, but they will not solve the problems with violence we have here. Unfortunately, when a tragedy like this happens, arguments turn to gun control vs gun rights instead of talking about the real issues, like why would someone want to kill like that in the first place?
Posted : Wednesday, 04 October 2017, 05:09
Jayenkai
"Gun Control" is indeed a hot button topic. It's something that doesn't ever really have a right or wrong answer.
I can only hope that someone can find a solution to this problem before more people get hurt.
..
... That won't happen. :\

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Posted : Wednesday, 04 October 2017, 05:50
GfK
Enough said...

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Posted : Wednesday, 04 October 2017, 07:53
Jayenkai
I don’t mind bees.

Wasps, though.
... BASTARDS!!!!

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Posted : Wednesday, 04 October 2017, 07:56
GfK
To be fair though... terrorists using things like trucks, or knives, or whatever. The primary use of those is not killing things.

Guns are for killing stuff - they have no other reason to exist. Maybe banning guns isn't the answer, but then, I don't know what is.
Posted : Wednesday, 04 October 2017, 09:14
Jayenkai
twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/915007525036142592

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Posted : Wednesday, 04 October 2017, 10:56
Jayenkai
Even The Onion's having a go.
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/915618800426512386

I'm not sure what the solution is, but I feel like SOMETHING has to be done.
... but what?
.. ?!?

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Posted : Wednesday, 04 October 2017, 11:49
rockford
Wow!
Posted : Wednesday, 04 October 2017, 14:27
therevillsgames
On ABC News they state "Bump stocks have been around for less than a decade, and the US Government gave its seal of approval to selling them in 2010.

They were deemed legal because the trigger is still pulled for each round, even though the rate is faster than is possible using only one's finger.

Some Democrats have called for bump stocks to be banned."

So are they banned or not....?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-04/gun-buyers-bid-up-bump-fire-stocks-used-in-las-vegas-massacre


Another stat which has come out is that on average there is a mass shooting per day in the US... Per day!!! 4 people shot = mass shooting.

Let's not forget about 9/11 and the Boston bombings if we want to talk about government involvements...
Posted : Thursday, 05 October 2017, 02:29
therevillsgames
Even now on my Twitter feed and I dont follow too many people:

twitter.com/twitter/statuses/915624256263790592
Posted : Thursday, 05 October 2017, 08:53
Jayenkai
I haven't bothered to include an Ignore feature.

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Posted : Thursday, 05 October 2017, 14:16
therevillsgames
The whole world is discussing this, why do you want to ignore it?

I think everything we have discussed here has been on topic and respectful to each other, so I don't understand why you posted that?

We aren't going to resolve world peace here but we can try to understand each other.
Posted : Thursday, 05 October 2017, 14:18
GfK
I think we can all discuss things in an adult and reasonable fashion. Might have had a few differences in the past but we're older and wiser now (right?)

We don't always have to agree, but can at least respect each other's right to voice an opinion.
Posted : Thursday, 05 October 2017, 14:28
Dabz

Wasps, though.


I dont mind wasps... In fact, if you ever ask me what would I prefer to be crawling on me:-

1) Wasp
2) Spider (Doesnt matter which)

It'll be a wasp all the way... Yeah, they can be little shits... But, me and spiders cohabiting in the same room.... Never happens, they get deaded. I just let wasps get on with it if theres one of them in!

Dabz

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Posted : Thursday, 05 October 2017, 15:02
rockford
Bees, wasps, spiders, beetles, scorpions, crickets, rats, eels, crocs etc. etc. I could have them crawl all over me like I was on "I'm a Celebrity, Get me Out Of Here...", no worries. Flies? FUCK OFF!!!!! Just go!! Fucking die!!!! I need an automatic fly-swatter for those disgusting fuckers! And the cunts are attracted to me like flies to rotting meat... err shit... err...
Posted : Thursday, 05 October 2017, 15:04
GfK
I don't want flies on me, leaving little poo footprints everywhere. Dirty bastards.
Posted : Thursday, 05 October 2017, 15:05
rockford
Yep. I hear ya!
Posted : Thursday, 05 October 2017, 16:08
therevillsgames
You guys in the UK haven't even seen a proper spider
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