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spinal
Created : 25 July 2008
 
System : Android

Crackdown on music piracy..



I just heard on the news that the major uk isp's are working with the music industry to crack down on file sharing. To me, it is far too late for such a move, as uk isp's have been telling us for ages (through tv commercials) that we must buy supre-fast broadband to download music and movies.
So my simple message to those isp's is...

DO NOT TELL US TO DOWNLOAD MOVIES AND MUSIC, THEN CLAIM IT'S WRONG (although it clearly is). IF YOU ADVERTISE THAT WE SHOULD DOWNLOAD MOVIES AND MUSIC YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO GET UPSET AT PEOPLE FOR ACTUALLY DOING IT.

 

Comments


Friday, 25 July 2008, 02:35
Jayenkai
Well said.

99% of adverts these days clearly state how long it'll take to download these things. It's not exactly one of the easiest claims to then dismiss.

If they took you to court, though, you'd probably not get away with that as your defence
Friday, 25 July 2008, 08:53
steve_ancell
Spinal is right though... Virgin Media still air adverts that tell you that you can download unlimited music and video. They were even using Uma Thurman as a tool to encourage it at one point.
Friday, 25 July 2008, 09:21
spinal
Besides, it's the suppliers they should be tackling, those who upload these movies and music files, but no, its far easier to let carrots dangle in front of peoples faces, then slap them in the face for reaching for them. If it wasn't so easy to find these things, less people would even look for them, besides, it has long been my belief that the people who download music are not the same people that would buy music on cd, same with games etc. people who buy these things in stores do not download them and people who download them are very unlikely to go out of their way to buy it if they can find it for free. So (in my opinion) these companies can not claim 'lost profits' as the people 'stealing' from them would never have bought the stuff in the first place. They are not loosing money and the are not not making money either, there are no potential sales to those people who download these things.

|edit| I may have repeated myself there, but thats how i think |edit|

Also, if they don't want people to pirate stuff, don't sell the following...

CD writers
CD recorders
DVD writers
DVD recorders
VHS recorders
PVR machines
Cassette recorders
Stereo's with the ability to copy a CD to a Cassette
MP3 Players
DVD Players with DVD-R, DVD-RW, AVI, MPG support
CD Players with WMA/MP3 support

People like $ony (and other companies) have had absolutly no problem letting people make multiple copies of music and video for many years, but all of a sudden its a problem, these companies want to take away what they themselves have given the people.
Friday, 25 July 2008, 17:02
steve_ancell
So they say that they can tell if you are using a torrent client, does the same apply to LimeWire ?.
Friday, 25 July 2008, 17:43
spinal
No idea.
Sunday, 27 July 2008, 16:02
mole
Presumably they just look to see who downloaded 20GB last week and then think (probably accurately) that the chances of that being music/film downloads are quite high.
Sunday, 27 July 2008, 17:37
Orion Pax
Now they do the same thing that anyone else does....they just search for files that belong to them and when they find one they just take the IP address of the offender find out the ISP that owns the IP and report them. Its that easy. There are ways that prevent the searches from getting to your pc, so that the find out who is sharing. And that is what they are looking for is people that are sharing, not downloading. If you are sharing they just assume that you downloaded it too. At any rate I am not going to divulge that info to block those searches from those companies. But it is possible.
Sunday, 27 July 2008, 18:17
steve_ancell
mole Presumably they just look to see who downloaded 20GB last week and then think (probably accurately) that the chances of that being music/film downloads are quite high.


Could be true. But what if those downloads were legitimate ?, such as freeware games. Some of those can run up 50 megs.

If Virgin Media ever use download size to accuse me of ripping music, I will tell them exactly where to shove their modem.
Thursday, 31 July 2008, 11:16
Stealth
The company I work for is also an ISP and i'd like to point out that it's pretty obvious when people are using bittorrent. When we look at the logs and there connection has been maxed out for the last 2 weeks, there probably filesharing. And the only reason we get on to people about it is because maxing out your connection all month is extremely expensive for us.
Thursday, 31 July 2008, 15:46
spinal
[slightly off topic]

Even hard drive boxes/adverts tell you how many mp3's you can fit on the damn things. "Buy this drive, you can fit 200,000 songs on it!!!". Name me one person (excluding radio dj's) that legaly has 200,000 songs in any format, never mind needing to put the whole lot onto a hard drive.
Thursday, 31 July 2008, 17:00
mole
Some people on another forum I read have gargantuan numbers of songs, from having thousands of CDs. How many of those have digitised their entire collection is another matter, of course.