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Created : 17 February 2010
 
System : Windows

Ubuntu!...



OK, so, in order to attempt some SNES coding without learning ASM, I downloaded a SNES C compiler. Great I though, that is, until I tried to set it up. Like most so called 'good' software, it came in the form of a bunch of source code which I had to compile myself, so, I followed the instructions to make the damn thing and it didn't work. It seems that a whole pile of crap in that code doesn't play nice with windows.
So following some advice, I installed a virtual pc on my laptop (Virtualbox in this case) and I was recommended to install Ubuntu linux onto it. Following similar instructions I got the compiler set up in ubuntu and working.

Excellent I thought. Now I have a SNES C compiler which actually compiles code!
...No, well... yes, it works fine, however I now have to learn how to use linux. After using windows for the past forever, let me tell you it isn't fun at all. For a start, Windows has turned me lazy. It's been a very long time since I had to use the command prompt in windows for anything important. But in this wonderful OS I have to use the command prompt for nearly everything! Not only that, as the only user on the system, with apparently full privileges, I am not allowed to do anything! Can't copy a file to where I want it using the gui, no, I have to drop into a command prompt and do it using 'sudo' Aaaarrrggghhh!!!!!
So, that's all for now, I must go back to forcefully removing collections of hair follicles from my scalp.

Comments


Wednesday, 17 February 2010, 14:57
Jayenkai
I've Ubuntu fully installed as a second boot, on the downstairs HP system.
I've used it to compile games in BlitzMax, a process that goes a little like this..
1. dump folder onto thumbstick
2. switch to Ubuntu
3. Double click .bmx file.
4. hit "Build"
5. Quick test...
6. Get the fuck out of Ubuntu!!

It's not too bad, to be honest, and as a "OMG! it boots in less than a week!!" option, it's kinda nice.
But the option to use Windows is there, so that's what I'm using.
Wednesday, 17 February 2010, 15:29
HoboBen
Can't copy a file to where I want it using the gui, no, I have to drop into a command prompt and do it


Create an application shortcut to 'gksudo nautilus'. Sorted!

Alternatively, modify the permissions on the folder that you're copying to with "sudo chmod 0666 /path/to/folder/" - You should only have to do that once. (If there are files already in the folder try "sudo chmod 0666 /path/to/folder/*" <-- note the asterisk)
Wednesday, 17 February 2010, 16:30
JL235
Boot times for Windows isn't an issue if you use sleep. For me Windows 7 boots quicker then it takes to turn the monitors on. It can even install certain updates during sleep which normally require a restart.

I agree though about Ubuntu. For linux it's pretty good but suffers from the same as all other distros. It's too dependent on the terminal.
Wednesday, 17 February 2010, 16:34
Jayenkai
Indeed, I can trust Win7's sleep. It's about time that worked properly. Vista's sleep causes all manner of odd little side-effects!
Thursday, 18 February 2010, 19:51
DAud_IcI
One of my friend has Ubuntu and he said he can do almost anything from the GUI. I could not tell it for sure, since I only tried it for a short time, before I switched to Arch instead.
Since you only run Ubuntu from VirtualBox why don't you log in as "root"? It would have the same security risks as running Seven without the UAC, but you are in a virtual machine it should not be a problem.
Friday, 19 February 2010, 11:19
Mog
Ha, Jay's post here made me go from virtualbox to a dual-boot- Oddly enough, I suddenly want to get back into heavier program now that i have ubuntu running pretty nicely. Only took a few hours remembering which dependencies i needed :/
Friday, 19 February 2010, 14:04
redmoth
It's called Security, inside your /home folder you can change anything, but the system files are protected

I use Ubuntu and love it and people saying that having to use the terminal is rubbish, Ubuntu is great now and you CAN do anything from the GUI.

Logging in as root is a bad idea. If you download a program called Ubuntu Tweak, as well as providing many new software to automatically install, and many system settings that can be changed, it allows you to add s 'scripts' to nautilus. One script I like provides an option when you right-click to browse the folders as root, so no more terminal if you don't want to.


Alternatively, you can hit 'alt-f2" and enter as said before gksudo nautilus into the 'run' box that appears.
Friday, 19 February 2010, 14:40
Mog
Meh i don't really find having to use terminal that bad- i grew up on a C64 / Amiga 500, so bashing on keys is nothing new. I'll admit it's faster to do things in Windows but that's not the focus of the argument - c'mon people, typing is good for you! (until you develop arthritis)
Friday, 19 February 2010, 14:51
Jayenkai
Too late..

I think the point is, they're trying their best to make things easier for the majority, us hardcore bunch will have to wait until about 2053 before they get around to making the techy stuff a little less techy.
Friday, 19 February 2010, 16:50
Pio
Terminal in Linux is full of tricks. You can type things like: cp filename{,.backup} (instead of cp filename filename.backup), ssh! (exec last command which begins with ssh), use ctrl-t to swap letters and do other amusing stuff. Exit with ctrl-d.
Saturday, 20 February 2010, 02:43
Cower
After using windows for the past forever, let me tell you it isn't fun at all.
Welcome to the wonderful world of realizing all the time you spent on a computer was worthless and that you're actually a moron when it comes to computer use.

It's been a very long time since I had to use the command prompt in windows for anything important.
You shouldn't try to use bash the same way you would a command prompt in Windows. Windows has a gimped, ugly, and nigh useless terminal. You'll only make things worse if you try to think about it in the same way.

Not only that, as the only user on the system, with apparently full privileges, I am not allowed to do anything!
This is called basic security, and is something Windows lacks (hence why it's so easy to get idiots to install rootkits).

|edit| Also, real men use Slackware. Ubuntu is for sissies. |edit|
Saturday, 20 February 2010, 08:42
JL235
Cower You shouldn't try to use bash the same way you would a command prompt in Windows. Windows has a gimped, ugly, and nigh useless terminal. You'll only make things worse if you try to think about it in the same way.
People always underestimate terminals and scripting on Windows. Yes it's ugly and it doesn't have as many features, but the command-prompt does 99% of the things I've had to type into the command-line in BASH and C Shell.

If you want something better for scripting then .bat files then you can use VBScript, and now Powershell.

The real difference is that for home desktop use you never need to use these technologies, where as for UNIX and Linux you do. If your drivers aren't working then the command-prompt is the last app you'll be reaching for because there are GUI alternatives. So people presume they are all crap when actually they are quite powerful.