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 Posted : Wednesday, 04 July 2012, 07:43 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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Scientists say they have now found a particle that is consistent to the Higgs Boson. Linkage |
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| Posted : Wednesday, 04 July 2012, 07:43 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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Now waiting for the crusties to start all the bollocks about the universe being sucked inside-out and stuff.  | |
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| Posted : Thursday, 05 July 2012, 23:04 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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My one concern was the very real possibility of a stable micro-singularity forming, drifting to the center of the earth (gravity) and then growing until it suddenly devours the planet.
Something which may have happened but we won't know until we're doomed.
Anyhow, yay Higgs. We have confirmed what we were already pretty sure we knew for decades. Whoo-pee.
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| Posted : Friday, 06 July 2012, 01:23 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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 Now waiting for the crusties to start all the bollocks about the universe being sucked inside-out and stuff. 
Slurp. Burp. Pop!
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| Posted : Friday, 06 July 2012, 02:59 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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I wasn't even aware that Higgs had lost his boson. | | |
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| Posted : Friday, 06 July 2012, 04:17 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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| Posted : Friday, 06 July 2012, 15:07 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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This discovery could revolutionize science if it turns out to be a legitimate find. The Higgs Boson is the biggest mystery in particle physics.
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| Posted : Saturday, 07 July 2012, 20:12 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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Sorry, but finding the Higgs boson does nothing but confirm the scientific model we've been using for decades. It's not even an evolution, much less a revolution.
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| Posted : Saturday, 07 July 2012, 22:08 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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The point of finding it is that it was predicted in the Standard Model, if, they didn't, the Standard Model would've then been turned on its head and it would've been back to the drawing board.
Though, they still technically dont know if it the Higgs that they are looking for!  So, yeah, it's a discovery, because there is something there, but as of yet, it still might be something else!
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 02:40 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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Yeah I know that but it's still enough to scare the hippies and crusties into thinking that the earth will be sucked inside-out. LMAO! | |
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 02:44 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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First there was Roswell that is still making stackloads of cash from tourists, now I'm waiting for some crusty to claim that he has found a location where stuff keeps disappearing into the void, perhaps they will name the location Suckville or something. | |
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 04:01 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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Yeah, basically what Dabz said: it's exciting because it proves (more or less) the Standard Model we've been using for decades. We can't just use predictions like the SM without first having good evidence for them, because widely accepted scientific theories have many times shown to be completely wrong by experiment (e.g. plum pudding model of the atom).
Now that we're pretty sure the Higgs Boson exists, it opens up the way for all kinds of as-yet unknown science! 
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 08:42 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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I'd call finding every predicted particle aside from the Higgs pretty much from the off and the rest relatively short order pretty good evidence and am fairly certain scientists have been using the Standard Model to make predictions for a good long time already.
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 09:33 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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But that's not how science works. You can't just assume that because nothing has contradicted your theory yet means that it must be true!
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 11:20 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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shroom_monk Now that we're pretty sure the Higgs Boson exists, it opens up the way for all kinds of as-yet unknown science!
I WANT MY HOVERBOARD THAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SINCE 2000, THEY PREDICTED THEM IN THE LATE 1970S. LMARO! | |
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 14:44 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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No, that's pretty much exactly how science works. You take your best guess and you build on it until you get contradictory results. There is no such thing as an absolute fact in science, only things that have not been wrong yet.
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 16:42 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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From what I can tell, being a physicist must be one hell of an interesting job to be able to lure Brian Cox away from bashing drums to smashing atoms. | |
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 18:14 | Permalink | Mark Here |
shroom_monk
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9572AD You take your best guess and you build on it until you get contradictory results. There is no such thing as an absolute fact in science, only things that have not been wrong yet.
Exactly. You take a guess and test it. You can't just assume it to be right until you've tested it, which is why this result is so important.
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 20:17 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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You don't have to know for certain it exists before you can test whether things behave as though it exists or not.
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| Posted : Sunday, 08 July 2012, 23:30 | Permalink | Mark Here |
shroom_monk
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To check that things behave as though it exists is to check if it exists though... It is true that you can make predictions based on a hypothesis to see if they fit, but sooner or later you have to actually find some evidence for that hypothesis, which is what this experiment has done. It's certainly not pointless.
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| Posted : Monday, 09 July 2012, 00:30 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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9572AD You don't have to know for certain it exists before you can test whether things behave as though it exists or not.
You're right there, I'm pretty certain that I remember reading somewhere that the atom was discovered without actually seeing it. | |
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| Posted : Monday, 09 July 2012, 11:06 | Permalink | Mark Here |
shroom_monk
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Eyesight isn't the only way to observe things though.  They observed it when determining its true nature, but they couldn't see it.
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| Posted : Monday, 09 July 2012, 11:09 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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That is sort of what I remember reading, something about measuring it's effects on it surroundings came into it somewhere. | |
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| Posted : Monday, 09 July 2012, 12:25 | Permalink | Mark Here |
shroom_monk
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They used to think that atoms were a ball of mass, like a plum pudding, but then they fired some particles at thin sheets of foil to watch how they scattered, and they scattered completely differently to how they expected they would.
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| Posted : Monday, 09 July 2012, 18:41 | Permalink | Mark Here |
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...And then they stopped using the plum-pudding model and thought up a new model...presumably.
The difference being, in the case of the Higgs, that they were right all along so *nothing has changed*
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