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Sun, 17 Nov 2013, 11:58
Hotshot
Linkage
oh dear BLUE LIGHT OF DEATH - PS 4
Sun, 17 Nov 2013, 11:58
Jayenkai
Indeed. Seems a pretty common issue.

Damn!!

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Sun, 17 Nov 2013, 16:25
steve_ancell
There was a time when stuff just simply worked, there's gonna be a lot of pissed off kids on Christmas Day if the parents haven't tried the console before wrapping-up.
Sun, 17 Nov 2013, 18:36
9572AD
There's gonna be a lot of pissed off parents when the box they just shelled out 400 quid for doesn't bloody work.

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Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 02:17
Hotshot
There is NO Excuse as back in 90's....there never been hardware failure days of Snes\Megadrive and I know what they have done is to rush it and release before xmas....it all about Moneys now
Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 03:03
rockford
There is NO Excuse as back in 90's....there never been hardware failure days of Snes\Megadrive and I know what they have done is to rush it and release before xmas....it all about Moneys now

To be fair there is so much more that can go wrong with these new machines than the MD/SNES. Machines back then used to break down too, just we never really got to hear about them - machines would be quietly replaced/repaired by the shop/company that made them. The internet now makes every blemish visible to all and sundry.

Sales of machines are also much higher nowadays. The more sold, the more potential faults will become apparent; the more found and identified, the quicker and better the fix. Not all faults will be identified in the "lab" as they are used under lab conditions. Newer software will also stress the machines in ways not identified in initial releases, hence why Sony, M$ and Nintendo etc. release firmware updates - to fix potential issues that software can bring (as well as add new features).
Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 04:40
steve_ancell
rockford To be fair there is so much more that can go wrong with these new machines than the MD/SNES.

But the PS4 is new, it's like Chimps are doing the quality control these days. Come to think of it, Chimps would probably do a better job, it's just not acceptable in such a modern day.
Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 05:00
rockford
Why not? In every single process ever things can go wrong. Doesn't mean quality control is shit - just means that something unexpected cropped up. Perhaps poor soldering. perhaps a dry joint. Perhaps a bug crawled into the assembly machine. Perhaps the components were produced by an outside agency. Perhaps they do indeed hire chimps for QC and assembly. Who knows. Sony can't control absolutely everything, but I'm pretty sure they don't deliberately create shit products that don't work from day one.

Brand new machines break down. I've lost count of the number of brand new cars I've seen broken down on the side of the road on the first day of driving.

Sony estimate a 0.04% to 0.4% failure rate - it might be higher, but we don't know. When millions of machines are manufactured at a time there is bound to be a failure rate.

This isn't just about Sony though - look at any tech manufacturer and they ALL have similar problems. Apple, M$, Nintendo, Samsung, GameStick (delayed a million times), Pandora (delayed for years and still having issues), even OUYA had some problems etc. etc.

When components become so small it's inevitable that they become easier to damage, causing problems.

At least Sony are looking into complaints and can afford to ensure that problems are sorted. Early adopters are ALWAYS guinea-pigs and are more likely to be affected by issues like has been seen.
Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 05:20
steve_ancell
rockford Why not? In every single process ever things can go wrong.

I the case of Raspberry Pi I would agree, but Sony is a brand that's been here since before the dawn of computer gaming, I would expect a manufacture of that kind of saliva to not have multiple machines fail after all the hype they give.
Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 06:48
Dabz
The way I see it [Dabz waves], and it annoys me to say, but it is true, this is typically the world we live in now, with the combination of unfixable (Or hard to fix) mass mass produced cutting edge devices (Wayyyyyyy more then back in the era of SNES, Mega Drive etc etc), crappy deadlines these companies give themselves as well as the means of the consumer having global communication within their pockets...

When something breaks, even, say, 0.05% [As a guess, but, you get what I mean] of the devices in total for say, the PS4 release, which is tiny, but that seriously amounts to a large amount of whinge, its just a case that, unlike before really, your never gonna dodge the unhappy customers!

Suppose that's the price these companies pay for hitting the main stream, which, they should handle, but lets face it, behind the scenes, humans run the show, and as such... Well, their will be failures, its unavoidable!

My 2p

Dabz

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Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 09:51
rockford
I would expect a manufacture of that kind of saliva to not have multiple machines fail after all the hype they give.

To be fair again, SONY aren't actually doing much of the hyping - they've shown very little anywhere - the media and the unwashed masses are doing pretty much all the hyping.
Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 10:59
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Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 14:45
rockford
And I'd agree with that, other than the major teething problems as by all accounts the problem is a tiny percentage of all PS4s sold. So chances are you'll be OK. But you never know... Tell him there's feck all worth having on PS4 anyway!

This thread is making me look like a SONY fanboy and the truth is my PS3 is the least used of all my consoles (and that includes WiiU).
Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 14:56
Jayenkai
I'm happy my PS3 can play PS1 games!!
Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 15:31
rockford
If my PS3 played PS2 games it would be my most used console - I have so many PS2 games that I want to play/replay, but the PS2 is set up in my son's room.
Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 17:00
steve_ancell
I've got a PS2 Slim, it hardly ever sees light of day, still in mint condition and still has its box.
Thu, 21 Nov 2013, 10:46
Hotshot
IF your PS 3 is jailbreak then it can all Playstation 1,2 and 3

I went to the game shop and I was disappointing with PS 4 joypad. I just couldnt get grip with it like I did with PS 3 Joypad(the best joypad I ever hold it!)

Why have Sony change it when it was Perfectly fine(i.e. PS 3 Joypad) and I would never know!





Thu, 21 Nov 2013, 11:56
rockford
IF your PS 3 is jailbreak then it can all Playstation 1,2 and 3

Have you done it yourself and if so, do you have a link to the tutorial?
Thu, 21 Nov 2013, 16:17
Hotshot
No, I bought it from someone and it was cheap

I played Nuclear Strike which is good game for PSX and I need to make Bigger Hard drive for all PSX Games on them!
Thu, 21 Nov 2013, 16:41
Jayenkai
Tsk tsk.. You should still have a decent collection of real PSX games. Just a shame I can't hook up my Beatmania controller to the thing.. :/

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Fri, 22 Nov 2013, 08:23
rockford
I have a shitload of original, real PS1 games (which all work on PS3 and, better still, Pandora via ripping to SD), it's just PS2 that I want to get up and running. I don't want to use my PS3 for any nefarious reasons (eg pirated PS games), just PS2, which I legitimately own.
Fri, 22 Nov 2013, 10:51
steve_ancell
If it's possible to make PS3 back-compatible by jailbreaking then why didn't Sony just make it back-compatible in the first place?, that would have been a no-brainer for them. It just doesn't make any sense, it must recognise the PS2's machine instructions so they should have just let it be.
Fri, 22 Nov 2013, 11:04
Jayenkai
Only console I've ever "hacked" has been the Wii, and that was only so I could give coding a go on it via the "Homebrew Channel".
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Never actually got around to that, though. Shame..
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Half the thrill of owning a console, in my eyes, is owning a giant collection of proper, packaged games, to go with it.
If you're doing downloads/roms, you're doing it wrong.

Sure, I might have a whopping "Emulation Archive", but that's different. That's strictly for Emulators.
At no point does having every Amstrad CPC game imaginable at my beck and call, ever replace the fact that I still have Manic Miner on the same disc that came with the system!

Collect the real thing, people! That's what shelves are for!!!

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Fri, 22 Nov 2013, 11:26
rockford
I hacked my Wii so that I could play all my original Wii games from a HD. My son often keeps the games in his room as he has a Wii too. Going up & down stairs is not good for my knees nowadays!

I keep meaning to put my GC games on it too, but lack the time.

|edit| Re: PS3/PS2 compatibility - yeah, if all it takes is a simple hack why indeed did SONY remove the functionality? Was it simply to ensure PS3 games were purchased, rather than cheaper PS2 games? What do you think?
Fri, 22 Nov 2013, 11:36
shroom_monk
Regarding PS2 back-compatibility on PS3, the impression I was always under was this:

The original PS3 hardware contained a PS2 processor as well as the PS3 hardware, so was capable of emulating PS2 games perfectly in hardware. However, since the PS3 was mega-expensive and still selling at a loss, Sony changed the hardware not long after launch to remove the PS2 processor.

Instead, they updated the firmware so that PS2 games could be played in software on some of the higher-end models. However, this didn't work too great - while games that conformed to a set of coding guidelines Sony wrote for the PS2 seemed to play fine, those which ignored the rules in order to squeeze more out of the hardware ran into issues, particularly with framerate.

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Mon, 25 Nov 2013, 09:58
Jayenkai
A different sort of "Blue" issue, today!!

Steaming turns ugly!!

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