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Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 03:04
GfK
Shitting hell... 20+ dead and 100+ injured in Las Vegas shooting. :/

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Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 03:13
therevillsgames
Really sick of reading about this crap...

Also what the hell is happening in Chicago? https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2017-chicago-murders/timeline?mon=9

Seems more people die in USA than in the terrorism attacks!

But remember guns are good!!!
Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 03:29
GfK
I'm pretty sure that you can have all the guns you want - when the "shooter" is a coward hiding in the 30th floor of a hotel, shooting an automatic rifle into a crowd of 40,000 people, the outcome is always going to be the same.

That said, I used to be anti-guns but times are changing now. If I could legally carry a weapon, then I would. There's too much of this shit going on now where cowards like Islamic State repeatedly go for 'soft' targets that they know don't have much hope of fighting back. It's time people were given the means to fight back. But no, in the UK we still arm our police with pepper spray and sticks, for fucks sake.
Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 05:16
Dabz
To be honest, here in the UK, if you want a gun... Like really really wanted one, I imagine it wouldnt take too long to get your hands on one, be it legit and get a license or black market.

And the likes of terrorists, they use anything now anyway, vans, cars, meat cleavers, Lidl bag bombs, everything is a potential weapon.

Even though you really couldnt get any closer cousins that is the US and the UK, we share a lot values, ideals and everything, but we arent the same society... Guns are built into the mindset of the US much the same way as a pint of beer is here... Granted it's not on the same level... But you try telling your average Brit he cannot drink anymore, and it'll be like telling an American he cannot buy a gun.

That's how I see it anyway... What would worry me is if one day the UK became the 51st state of the US... A nation of piss heads being allowed to buy a gun!

Dabz

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Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 05:23
Jayenkai
I’m all for "protection", but the level of weaponery used here is definitely not "for protection"..

Death count is now up to 50, btw..

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Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 05:23
GfK
Stats update: at least 50 dead and 200 injured.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41466116

|edit| Curse you, Jayenkai.
Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 05:26
rockford
Fuuuuuu.....
Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 06:42
Dabz

Oddly enough because of the British.


Everyone blames the Limeys!

Seriously though, we've been dismantling civilian gun use since 1900, before then, it was proper wholesale!

So yeah, I agree, the gun culture over there began when you based your Bill of Rights on ours, and the right to keep and bear arms was in ours. But we realised the population didn't need to wander around armed to the hilt, so it got changed... and the US never bothered.

Good or bad?

I dunno, I'm a bit torn on the subject really, for one, it was adequate at the time, now, not so much... But then, once rights start getting stripped, it's a downward cycle, so I can understand why there is a massive degree of protectionism over the pond regarding this.

Dabz

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Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 07:21
GfK
Fifty years ago in London, a pointy hat, whistle and a truncheon was enough to command respect and discourage bad behaviour, but it's all changed and dramatically so in the past 20 years. You get these daft bastards who think the right thing to do is march into a school and gun down all the kids for no fucking reason at all, and that isn't just the US - it happens here too. Thinking of the Dunblane massacre where Thomas Hamilton killed teachers and a load of kids, and that guy up in Whitehaven who went postal with a shotgun, killing a dozen or so people. Michael Ryan also, who decided he'd target a school. There are more but those three were particularly high profile in the targets they chose.

The trouble is, when you've got a complete fucknut who's managed to acquire a couple of guns, it's only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan. How to stop it? I don't think we can. Humans are just failing at evolution. It shouldn't be in anyone's mind to want to do this.

Capital punishment should be a thing. Because human rights, my arse. If you choose to kill innocent people taking away their right to life, then you should not have any human rights yourself.
Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 10:11
GfK
Ffs... 58 dead now, 515 injured. :/

Islamic State claim responsibility but no evidence of that, as usual.
Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 11:54
GfK
Apparently in Nevada you can own as many guns as you want and dont need to register any of them.

That certainly needs addressing. Right to bear arms is one thing - having more firepower than a small army and not having to register any of it - no.
Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 12:05
GfK
Why does anybody need more than one?
Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 14:51
GfK
They've only just shown on UK news (Sky News) that he actually fired at least three times of 50-60 rounds each. Up til just now I thought it was just once. They just interviewed one woman who said there was a woman pushing her way through the crowd, telling everyone they were "going to die tonight". Security threw her out. That happened 45 minutes before everyone got shot.

So not only did they let this crap go on for as long as it did, they'd also been forewarned and did nothing.
Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 15:54
therevillsgames
Sorry Kuron, but I dont agree. I've grown up in the UK and now live in Australia, yes there have been shootings in both places but not on the scale nor the amount that happens in the US. I dont trust most people to drive let alone own a bloody gun!
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