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| Mon, 08 Aug 2011, 13:00 | |
Jayenkai
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FFS, what the hell is wrong with people?! Everyone ok out there? I can't remember quite where DD is, right now, but I know his family home's in Birmingham. Hope everything's ok. -=-=- ''Load, Next List!'' 
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| Mon, 08 Aug 2011, 13:22 | |
Stealth
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While I disagree with these riots, it does bring to light the growing resentment toward law enforcement. My personal opinion is that law enforcement in the last 10 years has really overstepped their bounds. Wiretapping in the US is now common practice. Officers arrest people who create audio or video recordings of their misconduct. It's been ruled entirely legal for the government to place a GPS tracking device on your car without your knowledge. Officers are growing increasingly arrogant and power hungry. It's common practice for them to manipulate you out of your rights by lying to you. They often fabricate probable cause to enter your home without a search warrant. Officers are often racist and unfair on minorities. The worst offense is that they have been quick to kill those who they feel are even slightly a threat. It's disgusting. I'm glad citizens are fighting back. The government has gone too far. (It's my understanding that this guy who was killed was shooting at police. I wont defend him if that is true.) -=-=- Quit posting and try Google.
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| Mon, 08 Aug 2011, 13:25 | |
Spare
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I've seen some bits of it on tv... why are people destroying stores and all? they dont have anything to do with your government. I dont get it
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| Mon, 08 Aug 2011, 13:48 | |
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Jayenkai
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I'm not sure about "too much" policing, to be honest. A little more punishment might help. Kids are quite literally running riot.. -=-=- ''Load, Next List!''
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| Mon, 08 Aug 2011, 14:37 | |
shroom_monk
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This has bugger all to do with law enforcement. The peaceful protests this started with were because police shot a man who was shooting at them. The local gangs used this as cover to start looting, and the police did nothing - after they're used force at previous riots, they've been sued and complained about, so now they're just standing back. This isn't a protest, this isn't an uprising - this is just a wave of mindless violence simply for personal gain. I suspect DD is alright - as far as I've heard, the Birmingham riots are confined to the city centre, and there's not a lot of housing around there. -=-=- A mushroom a day keeps the doctor away... Keep It Simple, Shroom! |
| Mon, 08 Aug 2011, 16:29 | |
HoboBen
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It's tempting to think of it as mindless, but the London riots began because of some very clear material causes. You have areas of poverty, massive unemployment (particularly youth unemployment), rising food prices, rising tuition fees and cuts to EMA denying access to education, youth centres closing due to cuts (only last week I think, amid severe warnings that it would lead to unrest) and continual police agitation through stop & search measures (Black people are 26 times more likely than whites to face stop and search). What actually happened with Mark Duggan is still uncertain, with the implication that he never fired, but a police officer believing (rightly or wrongly) that he was in danger and locals believing (rightly or wrongly) that the killing was wrong. With over 300 deaths in police custody since 1998 and not a single conviction of any police officer for any of them, people don't have much faith in the IPCC. Of course after the initial riot started you had the opportunists that don't even live there bussing in for entertainment (you even have reports of locals forming mobs to chase away the hooligans). While you can acknowledge the causes, rioting is not the answer, because it only hurts the community living there. I won't condemn the initial rioters, because the material situation should never have been allowed to develop to the point where it was necessary. But the solution is to organise, so that they have legitimacy and also the strength to actually change their situation. Rioting will not change anything; these communities are loosing twice. It's sad. edit: excellent article: Tottenham riots: fatal police shooting sparks eruption of protest and anger If that's too left for you, the guardian also has an excellent article. -=-=- blog | work | code | more code |
| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 02:52 | |
Afr0
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You know, sometimes I used to wish that there would be riots in the streets in Norway. Nothing ever happens here. But after what just happened, I'm not so sure... All in all, I think the people of Norway are very fortunate to be living where we're living. -=-=- Afr0 Games Project Dollhouse on Github - Please fork!
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| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 04:04 | |
waroffice
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I have heard reports of these moronic youths and now it seems a growing number of older people in cars looting because of the chaos in the streets. As there is no large group of rioters to police its difficult with cuts in police numbers. One thing I read that made me lose faith in the human race was the looting of an Oxfam charity shop, do these people have a clue what they are doing?
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| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 04:33 | |
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waroffice
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WTF is going on?????? Just no need for this kind of behaviour
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| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 04:33 | |
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shroom_monk
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They got close to the Children's Hospital, although I think that's cos there's a police station opposite.
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| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 06:10 | |
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Hotshot |
There is Riots in Liverpool, Bristol, Birmingham and London too! Send the ARMYS now With Gattling Guns then they will soon STOP and put their Keen on the Floor to surrender  JOB Done! |
| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 06:25 | |
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shroom_monk
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The police and Home Secretary want to deal with this using 'traditional British Police methods' - i.e. no water cannons, no curfews... just a greater police presence. Somehow I don't think that's going to cut it.
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| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 13:46 | |
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Stealth
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They really have gotten out of control. I would bring in the military and arrest every one of these mindless idiots. The government needs to say: Bring it the fuck on. -=-=- Quit posting and try Google.
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| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 14:45 | |
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shroom_monk
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In lighter news, the Iranians have criticised the UK for 'hypocrisy' and say we need to bring in human rights groups.
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| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 15:01 | |
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HoboBen
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Hahah, I just read that too. Loudest I have laughed in weeks. UK riots: Iran condemns police 'violence' Oh god, the riots are so sad, but this has me in hysterics. -=-=- blog | work | code | more code |
| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 16:06 | |
steve_ancell
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Wanna know what gets me worried?. With a large percentage of the police force dealing with that shit and with a large chunk of the Army in Afghanistan, what's stopping the Taliban from invading everywhere else in the UK. Not saying that it will happen, but it could!
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| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 16:20 | |
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Jayenkai
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They needn't bother.. There's nothing else left...
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| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 19:52 | |
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dna |
Someone should contact DD and make sure he's alright.
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| Tue, 09 Aug 2011, 22:00 | |
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HoboBen
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Update is David Cameron approving the use of plastic bullets for "as long as they are needed" despite warnings against it by one of the only officers to have deployed plastic bullets. This is a disturbing break away from mainland Britain's tradition of "policing by consent". Calling these rioters mindless is dangerous; heavy handed suppression is never going to fix the underlying issues. This can still be handled by traditional policing methods (we've had riots before), and an immediate program of reversing the closures of youth centres, reintroduction of EMA and an end to arbitrary stop and search. But bringing plastic bullets to the table is a dark new chapter for the UK as in recent times police have increasingly been used politically to suppress legitimate peaceful protest. -=-=- blog | work | code | more code |
| Wed, 10 Aug 2011, 02:33 | |
spinal
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The way I see it, the "underlying issues" have more to do with lack of discipline than of social unrest. I've been watching the news on and off and from what I can see, it's mostly young people looting for the sake of it. They are using anger against the government as an excuse to be idiots. Water cannons are exactly what is needed.
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| Wed, 10 Aug 2011, 03:26 | |
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Jayenkai
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A nice list from StuCambell (Amiga reviewer/Cannon Fodder 2 designer/Breakfast Sandwich designer) listing all the writeups, and how you can spend most of this week reading about it.. .. you know, if that's all you can find the energy to do. .. .. That's me sorted, then.
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| Wed, 10 Aug 2011, 04:32 | |
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steve_ancell
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Gat-Guns that fire plastic BBs could be the answer, just fire them at the rioter's arses, that'll make 'em think more than twice about carrying on. Has anyone on here ever copped one in the arse from an air rifle or BB gun?, I can tell you, it f***ing stings!. |edit| Note: I did say fire at their arses, that's not likely to actually kill them but enough to make them run like f***! |edit| |
| Wed, 10 Aug 2011, 04:54 | |
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shroom_monk
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I agree with Spinal - it is just looting for the sake of it, with some of the kids using Government cuts and so forth as a poor excuse. Rioters killed two men last night who were trying to protect a shop. They drove at them and ran them down, so they could carry on looting. If the police keep standing and back and watching this unfold without intervening, this will only get much worse. Force is needed in some form. -=-=- A mushroom a day keeps the doctor away... Keep It Simple, Shroom! |
| Wed, 10 Aug 2011, 05:28 | |
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spinal
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I just re-tweeted this today... @davejmurphy New web app for predicting riot hotspots: https://t.co/mve7MXq Show that many other people feel the same way about the 'reasons' that people are doing this. -=-=- Check out my excellent homepage!
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| Wed, 10 Aug 2011, 06:14 | |
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steve_ancell
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spinal  Water cannons are exactly what is needed I like your way of thinking spinal, and if they want volunteers to operate those water cannons then I'm in 
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| Wed, 10 Aug 2011, 12:42 | |
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Stealth
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But bringing plastic bullets to the table is a dark new chapter for the UK as in recent times police have increasingly been used politically to suppress legitimate peaceful protest. The situation changes when these people are committing burglary and arson. Peoples lives are in danger and they should be considered dangerous criminals. They are lucky they aren't in the United States or they would be getting gassed, tasered, and thrown to the ground. Committing crimes is no way to protest the government. -=-=- Quit posting and try Google.
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