Connecting through internet with modem-router?

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Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 14:11
spinal	This has only started bugging me to because I didn't test it yesterday. I have a wireless modem-router connected to the Ethernet card on my pc. When setting it up, I selected my ips from the list, put in my details etc. My laptop and girlfriends pc can both connect to the Internet through the wifi, but the pc that is connected through the ethernet card can not connect, is this normal? I know very little about networking, my previous setup had the adsl modem connected to the pc through usb and I had a wifi dongle acting as the access point. How do I get my pc online? can I do it through the cable, or do i need to do it through wifi, if so, whats the point of the cable? -=-=- Check out my excellent homepage!
Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 15:54
HoboBen	Plugging the cable in is usually fairly automatic (assuming you've got the drivers installed, but that's where wireless is usually the problem) It's quite likely that you haven't got it plugged in properly - the cables are fiendish and will squirm their way out of the sockets given the slightest vibration. Just fiddle with them until things work, then superglue them in. -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 16:08
spinal	Also, I didn't set up the lan other than providing a ssid and wep key when installing the router, but surely the computer could (at least then) communicate with the router to set up the wifi. -=-=- Check out my excellent homepage!
Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 16:11
HoboBen	Can you access the router IP? Something like 192.168.1.1 (might say on the box somewhere)? -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 16:24
TheMadProff	You may have to set it up, though it should work. Simple things to check: All cables are securely connected You're using the correct type of ethernet (not a crosspatch cable) You're connected into the correct ethernet socket on your router(if there are more than one) Also, has you set up an ip block, when you inputted the ips, so your computer might be blocked The ip to configure your router (if supported) should probably be: 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.139 I would recommend if you get it working, DONT use WEP, instead use WPA or WPA2. WEP can be cracked in real time, WPA/WPA2 can't Also, if that still doesn't work, could you tell us the model, so we have a better idea of the problems you could be having -=-=- ''It works, but I'm not sure why it works...''
Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 16:42
spinal	I've set my computers ip to 192.186.1.2 (within range) Ia m using the cable that came with the router, plugged into port #1. which worked fine when running the setup cd. on the lan setup page on my router (im logged into it from my laptop) it has 'Add Static DHCP (Optional)', whats that for? \|edit\| I have a mac, but I don't know how to work it, been using windows forever now. -=-=- Check out my excellent homepage!
Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 16:49
spinal	Of all the stupid, none-sensicle ways of doing stupid windows things.... I set my computer to receive its ip from the network and the damn thing works perfectly. Grrrrrr! Also would I be right in thinking that I no longer need to switch on my PC, as the router/modem will connect me to the net without the PC? \|edit\| sorry for the double post jay. \|edit\| -=-=- Check out my excellent homepage!
Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 17:44
HoboBen	Mine does, no PC needed. I never installed any drivers off CDs or anything. I get a computer, plug it in, it connects. Wireless slightly more tricky, cause I have that secured so well that the secret services would offer me a job if they tried to hack it, they'd be so impressed. -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 17:49
spinal	yup, it switched off just fine, I assume just switching it off and on isn't a problem? With the CD, I assume all that did was connect to the router and set the ssid and key, as well as my internet settings. -=-=- Check out my excellent homepage!
Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 17:51
HoboBen	Occasionally power cuts have reset my router's settings. I dunno how that's different from turning it off normally though -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 04:14
TheMadProff	No, turning it on and off shouldn't be a problem. Out of interest Hoboben, how is your network secured, i presume you've done more than WPA. SSH tunneling? VPN? -=-=- ''It works, but I'm not sure why it works...''
Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 09:53
Scherererer	VPN isn't a way of securing a network, its a way of accessing a network remotely. So say I'm based in Orlando and I need to remote in one of the servers there, except I'm on vacation in the Carribean. I would access the Virtual Private Network (VPN), and then I could see all the computers at the base, and from there I would remote into the specific machine I want to get into. -=-=- YouTube Twitter Computer Science Series: Logic (pt1) (part 2) (part 3) 2's Complement Mathematics: Basic Differential Calculus
Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 12:22
HoboBen	Dunno how SSH would help secure anything - I use that and FTP-over-SSH to manage my LAN server rather than walk to it or sit down at it (it has a crap monitor) but as Instinct said, that's just accessing it. Not even that remotely, because I haven't forwarded any ports from my router to it so it's only accessible from something plugged into / in range of my router, not anything on the net. But as you're asking, my WPA2 wireless encryption key is a sentence, complete with punctuation, I have router broadcasts turned off (unless your computer has special sniffer software, it means my connection is invisible unless you already know it exits, with a correct password), the wireless range is minimum (nothing outside the walls of my house usually get any signal), I'm using a non-standard wireless frequency (it's 1.2 bytes per second faster! ), and the router does come with some basic firewall built in to block anonymous requests and stuff. Also, my neighbor's one is essentially a sitting duck, so no-one would even look for mine. And lastly - no-one would even bother trying to get into my wireless! -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 13:11
Scherererer	That's what you think HoboBen! hops on a plain to Wales with a laptop, an oversized wifi antenna, and a terabyte of pre-computed WPA2 rainbow table hashes -=-=- YouTube Twitter Computer Science Series: Logic (pt1) (part 2) (part 3) 2's Complement Mathematics: Basic Differential Calculus
Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 13:22
HoboBen	Touche! -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 16:30
Scherererer	Hahahahaha, excelent comic!
Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 02:14
TheMadProff	Nice, thats hilarious! Out of interest, how did you get it to transmit 1.2 bytes faster, and does that mean you have to have specific wireless cards? Oh, also, are you using TKIP or AES encryption with the WPA2 -=-=- ''It works, but I'm not sure why it works...''
Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 09:45
HoboBen	You just change the frequency/channel in the router - I think 2.457 Ghz was the default. But before you go breaking anything, remember that a byte per second faster is nothing, and the I'm not convinced really how much more secure it makes this (although, I can just imagine Instinct in his radar driving away while focusing on my router so that the doppler effect reduces the frequency enough...!), it just means my signal isn't competing with my neighbors so there's no noise to filter. I'm using AES but I see an option for "TKIP + AES", which sounds like overkill. I think my router must have enough to process already! -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 15:59
TheMadProff	Nice, what router are you using then?
Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 16:06
HoboBen	Some Linksys box. I believe that it's called Cisco now. Our modem pre-dates wireless, so it's separate to that. -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 16:09
TheMadProff	Is it a linksys wrt54g? I ask cause I'm thinking about getting this router, as its very hackable, but im wondering if it has some cool security features... -=-=- ''It works, but I'm not sure why it works...''
Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 16:41
HoboBen	Something like that, yeah. If you only have one or two machines to plug in, you can instead install routing software onto a low-end PC (most routers are have round about 200Mhz processors I believe) as long as it has enough ethernet ports. -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Fri, 04 Jan 2008, 08:52
TheMadProff	Woot! I did consider that, cause then you can add a firewall etc... I have loads of old computers, but only one of them as an ethernet port , and it only has one , i could try using a wireless card i suppose... Cheers, it sounds awesome -=-=- ''It works, but I'm not sure why it works...''
Fri, 04 Jan 2008, 11:35
power mousey	interesting topic all. a few days ago, my brothers router broke go to his DSL. Yet, two good things came out of it. Mark and Tracy both have cell phones. And they are going to cancel regular phone service casue their regular phone service and the DSL was costing them over 100 dollars a month. Since they both have laptops and also Mark has a desktop at work and hooked up to the company's DSL, they are going to get wireless service for their laptops. They are on a family package plan and a discount so the plan altogether including the phone cells and service and the wireless will be around 60 dollars a month. Another good thing is that they are going to give me their latest and most greatest HP computer. The one that was hooked up to their former DSL. Its about 7 months old. 1 gigbayte of system ram, Windows XP, Pentium 2.1 ghz, and Nvidia integrated video memory. Now finally I can try the Titan Quest and Heroes of Might and Magic V demos. Plus a whole host of others. I'll probably have a 3d graphics card installed in this baby too.