Socoder vs General Goverment Bullshit

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Socoder -> Off Topic -> Socoder vs General Goverment Bullshit
Sun, 22 Apr 2012, 05:24
steve_ancell	This is what I don't get with these govenment twats, they tell people to learn skills and get trained but don't want to help people who are potless. \|edit\| No wonder they're called Labour, they're a labour on the bloomin' wallet. \|edit\|
Sun, 22 Apr 2012, 05:24
HoboBen	God damn bloody Welsh Labour just bloody cut £600 from student grants, the bloody sods -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Sun, 22 Apr 2012, 08:03
HoboBen	I posted a report on this in the Swansea Anti Cuts Campaign facebook group. Someone commented and said "At least it's not as bad as England". But I didn't realise until just now, the person who said that to me was actually a sodding AM in the Welsh Government. Her answer to cutting the grant was literally, "it could be worse". FFS!!! I am glad it's not as bad as in England, but with representatives like that it won't be too long until it is. -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Sun, 22 Apr 2012, 11:02
steve_ancell	It shouldn't be that bad anywhere.
Sun, 22 Apr 2012, 11:34
Dabz	I am glad it's not as bad as in England, but with representatives like that it won't be too long until it is. Being from the North-East of England, we're naturally a little worse off then our southern chappies when it comes to guff like jobs, money etc etc But, people are sticking in, most of my mates who are/were in construction and got finished from companies have moved on to something else, be it in factories, moving to a different industry or moving to a new company for less money. We all work in the private sector, and we all agree that most of the cuts are justified, I'm not saying all, like, nursing, policing or education (for students, like cheaper uni fees etc etc), these should be ring fenced to high heaven. But, any other job in the public sector that warrants a union attached to it seriously pisses me off. Take teachers, they say "It's not about the money"... Okay, so why do they whinge and wave placards about over their cushy pension getting sliced a little if its not about money? Take your child out of school so you can take your family for a cheap holiday, and theres hell on, but it's okay for teachers to say "Right, we're not coming in next week because my cushy pension is on the line, so, you can stick your kids up your arse" When the last strike was on, the one were every public worker went shopping for a day (No manning the picket lines, oh no, none of that 1980's bollocks), we never got our bins emptied, even though the binmen are'nt in a union, the bloke who is in charge of opening the gates at the council depot is, and it just so happens that he took the keys home with him the day before... What a wanker!!! And dont get me started on baggage handlers or flight crew... I mean, WTF do they need a union for anyway... Why... What is so amazing about their job that they have the power to cripple whole airports? Border (lol) control is a joke too, they went on strike, and though and behold, the government drafted in every vet and their dogs to man the borders, and did it cause mayhem, no... So, what justifies them having a cushy pension when it seems any old joe can fill their boots without even blinking. There is good public workers out there, I've met a few, but, they tend to be from the private sector, and they tell me all sorts, like, two people hired to do technically a one person job, flexi time that works in such a way you can build up hours so you can have a week off. For me, the cuts to the majority of public services run deep because the people who have had it cushy know the game is up, that's why their shouting, and for this, I'm pleased... Because I'm sick and tired of having to graft my arse off only to hear that my tax contributions help towards some lazy shitbag retire when their 50 and I've probably got to slog my guts off till I'm 70! Cuts... Roll on!!! Dabz -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
Sun, 22 Apr 2012, 12:26
HoboBen	I hear what you're saying Dabz but I don't think they should even consider cuts for ordinary people when we hear every day about bankers bonuses or billionaires who dodge taxes (to the tune of £120bn a year!) and companies like Amazon, Apple, Google and the banks paying a fraction of a percent in taxes through dodgy schemes. What really made me sick was hearing about the billionaire who was so rich he found it cheaper to sleep on a private jet outside of British airspace each night just to avoid paying tax. The government has got us arguing about who deserves cuts more while they and their rich friends (who by the way, caused this crisis) are laughing. Although I wasn't expecting a political thread; I just wanted a moan! -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Sun, 22 Apr 2012, 13:21
Dabz	Fair do's, but lets not forget, it wasnt just the banks that are solely responsible, for me, the FSA should take a large chunk of the blame for not reigning in UK bank borrowing, as well as ordinary people cranking up debt they must've knew they couldnt afford. Banks we're dishing money out like it was going out of fashion, giving people mortgages when they couldnt afford them, or letting them have remortgages that was at the most, three times the value of the actual house when you viewed the house rationally. I bought my first house for £48500, mortgage... Sold it for £90000, it was a two bedroom terrace house, nowhere near worth the £90000 price tag, but, that's what it was valued at and that is what I got. Someone somewhere should've looked at it and went "No... It's not worth that", but luckily for me, they didnt, but they should of, realistically... Then, about a month or two after, the whole lot crashed! The whole mis-regulation was the down fall, the government give banks free reign to ratchet up their own debts, as well as average folks, this isnt good. What really made me sick was hearing about the billionaire who was so rich he found it cheaper to sleep on a private jet outside of British airspace each night just to avoid paying tax. Well, yeah, but, they live in a different world to us, the tax they've saved to them is pretty much the equivalent of a plasterer going to plaster a house on the fiddle, or a bricklayer banging up a extension for someone after hours... I have no idea how billionaires live, but as such, can understand, like me, paying tax is one of them 'grrr' parts of life, we all wish we didnt have to pay it, and if there's a chance, pay less... I personally cannot knock anyone for that, since I find the majority of tax is squandered here and abroad. Although I wasn't expecting a political thread; I just wanted a moan! Same here! Hehehe Dabz -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
Sun, 22 Apr 2012, 14:48
steve_ancell	I got that answer to all this... Let's just re-incarnate Guy Fawkes and start again. \|edit\| Sorry but I really do hate the government, the whole lot of 'em need booting out and replacing with people that really do give a fuck. \|edit\|
Mon, 23 Apr 2012, 05:57
JL235	Google's taxes, being done via Ireland, actually makes a lot of sense. That is where they are based in the EU, and their main EU datacentre is outside Dublin. The businessman who used the private jet trick didn't sleep each night outside the UK. He only did that once every few months, to claim he wasn't a full resident. Millions of people actually do this all over the world; I met some people who did similar in HK too.
Mon, 23 Apr 2012, 06:22
steve_ancell	So that's why we have Pikeys. \|edit\| And before anyone says "you can't tar them all with the same brush", I have valid reasons for calling them Pikeys. \|edit\|
Mon, 23 Apr 2012, 07:39
HoboBen	Google actually use a "Double Irish" or a "Dutch Sandwich", routing money through Ireland, the Netherlands and finally Bermuda. The difference is, if ordinary people fiddle benefits or taxes they would end up in jail, with every right wing newspaper in the UK calling them a scrounger. When huge multinationals do it they get a letter asking them if they don't mind paying a fraction of it back. Also, small local businesses don't have an army of lawyers and accountants to compete. What this means is that local businesses shut, and all the money disappears into multinationals and out of your economy. -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Mon, 23 Apr 2012, 07:55
steve_ancell	Sorry guys but I completely agree with Ben on this one. \|edit\| It's all a rule for one and a different rule for the other. \|edit\|
Mon, 23 Apr 2012, 09:27
Dabz	It's all a rule for one and a different rule for the other. And when has it been any different? Never! Dabz -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
Mon, 23 Apr 2012, 10:10
steve_ancell	True I suppose Mike. LOL \|edit\| Still a good reason to have a rant though. \|edit\|
Mon, 23 Apr 2012, 15:45
JL235	Ben The difference is, if ordinary people fiddle benefits or taxes they would end up in jail, with every right wing newspaper in the UK calling them a scrounger. When huge multinationals do it they get a letter asking them if they don't mind paying a fraction of it back. Also, small local businesses don't have an army of lawyers and accountants to compete. What this means is that local businesses shut, and all the money disappears into multinationals and out of your economy. Tonnes of self employed and small businesses make choices to pay less tax. I know several self employed people who technically own a small company, or buy presents and then get back the tax on them by saying it's for work, in order to avoid tax. Even just a month ago I had to make a decision on how to be paid by a client, as it affected how the tax would work out. Whilst at University working part time, I got in touch with the HM Revenue in order to receive a tax rebate. So actually, yes, plenty of small businesses and self employed do avoid tax. We are not talking millions or billions of pounds, but plenty do, and legally. It's also pretty easy to find out how you can help to avoid tax if you are self employed. Even government sites such as DirectGov can give you some of the basic advice needed to to make this choice.
Mon, 23 Apr 2012, 20:53
JL235	Additional; I'm not trying to defend these large corporations, or saying it is right to avoid tax. I personally think it's especially shameful when companies such as News International, which makes a huge profit, pays negative tax in the US (they receive money). However it's just not as black and white as to say the big corporations don't pay tax, and the little guy has to pay tonnes. It's pretty common that only the headlines and individual cases are used to justify the whole system being rotten, when often it's a half truth, or just flat wrong. For example there was the outcry that Warren Buffet pays less tax then his secretary, however his income is actually taxed twice, and one of those is at a higher rate then his employees. So in total he pays a much higher percentage overall (and that's in turn applied to a much higher income). Again I'm not defending him, it's just important to keep things in perspective when your talking about this stuff (although he is also giving away 99% of his worth to good causes, which is cool).
Wed, 25 Apr 2012, 17:29
HoboBen	You're right that there's plenty of dodges for small businesses. When I hear about self-employed people writing off any this thing or that as tax-free expenses, or effectively having a 20% income tax by treating themselves as a business, it does honestly piss me off (tonnes of people do it, some quite shadily, from e.g. Ken Livingstone to George Galloway to the head of student loans company). But at the end of the day, that's still a heck of a lot better than what the multinationals manage with an army of accountants and an effective tax rate of less than 1%, or even a negative tax rate as you rightly pointed out in the case of News International. Big business is just sitting on £750bn because they don't know what to do with it. They're not investing; they're cutting jobs. The Tories' answer to this is to open up the only market we have left, by looting the public sector. But if I suggested a windfall tax or nationalisation of the heights of the economy I expect you'd all probably laugh at me! -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code
Wed, 25 Apr 2012, 19:36
JL235	Sitting on cash isn't always a bad thing, it's a sign of a healthy business. For example Apple is sitting on a huge stockpile of cash due to their recent years of success, which they are now planning to give out to their stockholders. If banks such as RBS and Lloyds had more cash saved up, they wouldn't have gone bust, and wouldn't have needed to be bailed out by the UK government.
Sat, 28 Apr 2012, 15:57
HoboBen	This just sums it up: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/britains-richest-see-fortunes-rise-record-high-203731874.html Britain's 1,000 richest people are now richer than they have ever been. They've defied the recession to hit record levels of wealth. They own £414 billion between them. Today disabled workers from Remploy marched in Swansea against factory closures that this government is carrying out. If Remploy closures go through, these people face a lifetime of unemployment. The Minister "for" Disabled People is known to Remploy workers as "Maria Miller, factory killer". 120,000 people now rely on food banks -- double last year's figures. "All in it together". -=-=- blog \| work \| code \| more code