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Socoder -> Off Topic -> Auto = Nought?
Fri, 10 Feb 2012, 20:26
shroom_monk	Is it just me or has the whole site’s width got squashed in? -=-=- A mushroom a day keeps the doctor away... Keep It Simple, Shroom!
Fri, 10 Feb 2012, 20:26
Jayenkai	Jay still needs to get around to fixing that... Chrome's now decided that "Width:Auto" should be "Use as little as possible" as opposed to the old "Use it all, why the hell would you not use it all!?" .. Firefox did this a while back, and I was too lazy to fix it. Guess I have to now.. Fuckin stupid "Auto".. What prat decided on this new thing. FFS.. > Reveal 🔎 Whinge whinge whingey whinge.. I have shit to do.. My new iOS game's out, and I need to do the crappy PR gubbins. It's 3:30 am, and my damn neck woke me up again, so.. guess I'll be doing that now, then. grrr. ranty rant rant -=-=- ''Load, Next List!''
Sun, 12 Feb 2012, 08:05
Jayenkai	Right, I've ended up with a min-width:80% It's not 100% right, and you'll probably spot the right hand side being a teensy bit off, in places, but it'll do for now. If you want a spot where it'll ALWAYS happen, click the "Quick Post" link.. Because the "Layout_Main" div is absolute (because apparently that's "better") I can't set it to Width:100%, because then it's too bloody wide. Meanwhile, auto doesn't have the desired effect, because now they've changed it from being "That useful thing that uses all the space up" to being "this may as well not have a width set at all, because that's what it's now doing" Fucking CSS.. Bollocks!!! One day I'll learn all this shit. Meanwhile, if I ever do a complete and total redo of the site, I'M USING FUCKING TABLES!!! Anyhoo, min-width:80% works kinda. it looks marginally better, anyway. Couldn't specify a width due to the multitudes of themes and those alternative layouts that nobody bothers with. Gah.. -=-=- ''Load, Next List!''
Sun, 12 Feb 2012, 09:34
shroom_monk	Jayenkai I'M USING FUCKING TABLES!!! I was making something web-based for a school project last week and getting CSS to lay out the page how I wanted was an absolute nightmare. The number of times I thought 'this would all be so much easier if I just used tables' was too high to count. -=-=- A mushroom a day keeps the doctor away... Keep It Simple, Shroom!
Tue, 14 Feb 2012, 00:12
Evil Roy Ferguso	I do not ultimately condone its sentiment, but it seems relevant to the current scenario: giveupandusetables.com/
Tue, 14 Feb 2012, 02:05
Afr0	Should you use tables for layout? -=-=- Afr0 Games Project Dollhouse on Github - Please fork!
Tue, 14 Feb 2012, 10:44
Stealth	People figured out a long time ago how to do sites without tables. You just have to look up the code. Trying to hack it yourself is just going to frustrate you if you don't know how to do it. -=-=- Quit posting and try Google.
Tue, 14 Feb 2012, 11:57
JL235	I build things pretty quickly using divs and CSS. Using tables would probably slow me down, not speed me up. CSS IS quirky, and it's layouts are unexpected. Once your in the CSS mindset, you do start to know how things need to be laid out and styled in order to get the effect you want.
Tue, 14 Feb 2012, 15:01
Jayenkai	Hi I'm Jayenkai.. I write games in Blitz, I still occasionally use MODs for Music, I use an 11 year old copy of Paintshop Pro for my sprites, and damnit to hell I'm using tables... -=-=- ''Load, Next List!''
Tue, 14 Feb 2012, 15:56
Stealth	Nobody will really notice. It just makes your code a tad messier. -=-=- Quit posting and try Google.
Tue, 14 Feb 2012, 16:10
JL235	People will notice, because it'll render in an odd way. Tables don't get rendered until all HTML has been parsed.
Tue, 14 Feb 2012, 16:40
Jayenkai	Before your head explodes in a torrent of disgust, I'd just like to point out the oddness of you expecting me to have any sort of time to completely rewrite the entirety of this site! ... Just sayin'! -=-=- ''Load, Next List!''
Tue, 14 Feb 2012, 17:08
CodersRule	We're still able to write themes for the site, aren't we? Is your <sarcasm>super-advanced</sarcasm> theming system able to cope with decent HTML?
Tue, 14 Feb 2012, 17:33
JL235	Personally I would prefer that the default theme was nicer, with less customization for special events, then the ability to build custom themes.