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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 12:40
Afr0
As I know we have some hobby physicists here on these boards, I'm going to ask this question here;

How do I produce Hafnium in large amounts?

More specifically, Hafnium-178m2?

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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 12:51
shroom_monk
This is probably more a chemistry question than a physics one, and I have absolutely no idea what possible purpose you require this element for, but Wikipedia says you need titanium ore... good luck with that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafnium#Production

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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 12:52
Afr0
Hm, can I buy Titanium Ore in a chemical supply store?

Edit: I need Hafnium-178m2 in order to implement my design of a device used to produce antimatter in large quantities.

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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 12:54
Jayenkai
Why on earth would you want that?!
Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 13:03
Afr0
Antimatter?

Because... in large enough quantities, it could lead to this!

Turns out, antimatter isn't easy to produce in large quantities because noone bothered to find a way to do it, so I had to make my own design.

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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 13:15
shroom_monk


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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 13:24
Afr0
Well, whether you like to believe it or not, I have come up with a relatively simple concept that should work.
But I need Titanium Ore in order to be able to produce Hafnium-178m2!

I've done some research on Hafnium (though I'm still at a loss as to how to produce it). If you blast it with x-rays, its properties are such that it will release gamma-rays in large quantities.

If these gamma-rays are driven through a particle-beam, the result is matter and antimatter!

Simple, huh?

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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 13:38
Afr0
Obviously you also need a magnetized chamber in order to store the antimatter, because antimatter is such that it will explode in contact with any matter.
The two simply cannot come in contact without eradicating one another!

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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 13:42
Jayenkai
Yup, I've watched enough Trek to know what antimatter is!

Not really sure you'd be my #1 choice for people to use it, though!!!
Now, Steve, on the other hand.. He does all those planes and things.
A sooped up Antimatter based remote control plane would be AWESOME!!

.. Try your hand at inventing the replicator instead.
Much more useful..

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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 14:02
shroom_monk
When they say 'magnetised chamber', they don't mean sticking two bar magnets together. You need something big, monstrously powerful, and big. Where are you going to put it, how are you going to power it, how are you going to align the magnetic fields, and how are you going to not fry all your electronics so you can tell us of your wonderful success? There is a reason no-one has ever done this in their own back garden.

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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 15:01
rockford
Sod anti-matter. I want a Flux capacitor. And a Sports Almanac.
Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 15:29
Afr0
When they say 'magnetised chamber', they don't mean sticking two bar magnets together. You need something big, monstrously powerful, and big. Where are you going to put it, how are you going to power it, how are you going to align the magnetic fields, and how are you going to not fry all your electronics so you can tell us of your wonderful success? There is a reason no-one has ever done this in their own back garden.


That's easy.
I was thinking of using a couple of car batteries in order to create a couple of electromagnets.

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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 15:42
shroom_monk
I meant more powerful than that. And even if you did have a powerful enough one, how would you control and align the magnetic fields to hold the antimatter in place?

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Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 15:49
Afr0
Well, with a couple of electromagnets, it'd simply be an issue of configuring the nails in order to align the magnetic fields.

... how powerful a magnet do you really need in order to store antimatter anyhow?

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Mon, 27 Dec 2010, 08:56
Scherererer
I don't think you can begin to understand the mathematics behind all of this. Unfortunately it's not something you can just throw together in your basement; the precision manufacturing required for such a feat is incredible-- but that's just the manufacturing; having enough knowledge in order to conceive of what a practical design would be, and then all the time spent simulating and modelling the possible outcomes in order to test said system. This project would be enormous, to say the least. You would need a higher degree just to understand the full depth of such a project.

I hope you realize that when they built the large hadron collider it wasn't like a few scientists got together, drew up some sketches on a napkin and said "okay that should work let's get a few billion dollars and build this thing"; it took years of planning, modelling, materials research, simulation, redesigning, resimulating, GOTO 10, until they were finally able to make what they have. And they can't even contain antimatter for a whole second!

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Mon, 27 Dec 2010, 09:42
JL235
I'd expect a few car batteries and some nails is essentially all they used for the large hadron collider.
Mon, 27 Dec 2010, 09:52
Jayenkai
I doubt you'd need more than a bog-standard iPhone battery. The main issue is, though, they're none-user-serviceable, and have those new quirky screws in them.

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Mon, 27 Dec 2010, 10:01
JL235
There is probably even an app to do this already on the iPhone.
Mon, 27 Dec 2010, 10:10
Stealth
Storing anti-matter is a far greater issue. There are some theories on how to do it, but it's never been done. I would worry about that first before you try to create large batches of it.

I've learned to realize that most ideas have been thought of (even though they seem original). Scientists thought of it, disproved it, and moved on.

Also, good luck getting Hafnium-178m2. That's used in nuclear materials and as such is very tightly controlled.

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Mon, 27 Dec 2010, 11:01
Afr0
Storing anti-matter is a far greater issue. There are some theories on how to do it, but it's never been done. I would worry about that first before you try to create large batches of it.


All the research I've done on antimatter suggests that it is magnetic. Like metal. Which means that a magnetic field should be a viable way to store it, but shroom_monk doesn't seem to agree with me that a couple of electromagnets would be powerful enough.
I think I need to try to build an even more powerful magnet.

Scientists thought of it, disproved it, and moved on.


Disproved it? Antimatter's not been disproved.
Antimatter is highly tangible.
It's just that nobody has ever managed to produce it in large quantities as of yet.

Also, good luck getting Hafnium-178m2. That's used in nuclear materials and as such is very tightly controlled.


I'm not getting it. I'm making it. I'm looking into procuring titanium ore as I write this.

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Mon, 27 Dec 2010, 11:13
Stealth
Disproved it? Antimatter's not been disproved.


I mean your theory of making it. I know that anti-matter is real.

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Tue, 28 Dec 2010, 11:54
Mog
Oh afr0, you and your conquests. I would snark, but eh... I've become amused. Best of luck!

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Tue, 28 Dec 2010, 12:53
blanko1324
What happened to normal hobbies?

Cheaper rocket alternative:

Acetic acid dissolved in H20, mixed with equal part sodium bicarbonate will react violently, and when contained, will create a pretty powerful explosion.

We once used this formula in grade school to launch a film roll canister nearly five feet into the air. Low Earth orbit (about 500,000ft) shouldn't be that far off; just raid your local grocery stores. CAUTION: this is very dangerous - take necessary precautions when dealing with high explosives. Wear safety goggles.

*snicker*



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Tue, 28 Dec 2010, 13:50
Andy_A
Here's a link to describe a magnetic confinement device. In this particular instance it's about keeping 20 million degree Celsius plasma from touching anything else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak
Thu, 22 Dec 2011, 04:01
Afr0
So, for people who've been wondering what happened to this project, I decided it would be irresponsible to go through with it.
I actually started designing and planning a Tokamak, but realized that the funds and time required to build such a thing is... not easily procured.
And given the quantities of antimatter I was thinking of producing, it would have been several orders of magnitude stronger than the bomb that detonated in Oslo in July, if it were to ever come in contact with matter.

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Thu, 22 Dec 2011, 04:15
Jayenkai
That's much better.
The world is slightly less destructive when you only have a machete.

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