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| Sat, 21 Apr 2007, 13:12 | |
Scherererer
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The problem lies in the forum though -- although you can get any lackey to translate the articles into other languages, you don't have experienced multi-lingual users that also know how to code that bit that was posted. For example, lets say I speak german, and i came to this site to become a member of the forum. We'll say that Hobo speaks english, and he's experienced in C++. For the example I don't know where to start. Hobo writes and article on C++ and it gets translated by you, but you don't know C++. I then ask about something "But do i implement polymorphism into the object-oriented environment i'm attempting to create?". You have no responce because all you did was translate the article. Hobo could respond, but he can't understand me. Maybe you could implement babblefish's API, but aside from that you're looking at a project that would require the merging of a large number of multi-lingual individuals that are also experienced in many different programming languages. -=-=- YouTube Twitter Computer Science Series: Logic (pt1) (part 2) (part 3) 2's Complement Mathematics: Basic Differential Calculus 
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| Sat, 21 Apr 2007, 14:49 | |
power mousey
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yeah! Instinct.  any lackey. and true...just like the Tower of Babel. And Babblefish was one of the main syntax of the root of the confusing contusions too.  I like it! |
| Sun, 22 Apr 2007, 12:47 | |
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ingenium1 |
 "But do i implement polymorphism into the object-oriented environment i'm attempting to create?". You have no responce because all you did was translate the article. Hobo could respond, but he can't understand me.  The question would be translated too... "-.- -=-=- Roger Federer is go(o)d. But he is not alone. Just relax... sometimes there's no need to argue.
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| Sun, 22 Apr 2007, 12:56 | |
HoboBen
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I dunno... I think Doesn't really need a language (culture language, not programming). It just returns a number. Maybe different text files of documentation in different languages, but still... anyone who knows the language would find reading it obvious enough. If people can think and read in PHP, it eliminates the (cultural) language part because the programming language sorta becomes the cultural language in itself until you get to the "echo" command. Gah, replying is hard with two meanings for the word language to look out for! -=-=- blog | work | code | more code |
| Sun, 22 Apr 2007, 13:08 | |
JL235
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Their is already a solution to this problem. The rest of the world learns English.
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| Sun, 22 Apr 2007, 13:18 | |
Blitz3Dman
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Erm, DiablosDevil, the word is 'there', not 'their' 
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| Sun, 22 Apr 2007, 14:28 | |
JL235
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and?
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| Sun, 22 Apr 2007, 14:31 | |
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Blitz3Dman
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Sometimes misuse of the words there, their and they're can make you seem a bit inedumacated
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| Sun, 22 Apr 2007, 14:42 | |
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mike_g |
Everyone makes typos. Theres no need to point every single one out.
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| Sun, 22 Apr 2007, 15:20 | |
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Blitz3Dman
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Actually, I ponited it out because he did it 2 posts in a row.  It was just a friendly suggestion.
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| Sun, 22 Apr 2007, 16:06 | |
flying_cucco
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"ponited", lol. HoboBen - I remember at school once we had a contingent come over on exchange from somewhere in Africa. My maths teacher and theirs spent one lesson debating and proving things together entirely in maths - neither could speak a word of the other's language. It worked out fine - maths is the same everywhere - hell, your best bet with aliens would be to start with the maths. |
| Sun, 22 Apr 2007, 16:49 | |
Blitz3Dman
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*slaps self* gah oops |
| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 07:01 | |
Jayenkai
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flying cucco Your best bet with aliens would be to start with the maths.You're assuming the maths of the aliens use the same Base10 that we do. If not, things could start to get pretty confusing after 1+1! -=-=- ''Load, Next List!''
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| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 08:54 | |
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flying_cucco
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That might be a stumbling block, but not a big one. "1+1=2" might be meaningless, but thats just the representation we developed. Once you get "one apple and another apple is two apples" right, its all downhill. Our system of maths, like a language, is an abstraction layer to convey ideas etc. The difference is that maths, physics (the workings of the universe) are generally clear-cut, orthogonal and simple, while language, emotion, drama (the workings of the mind) are complicated and full of dualism and contradition. So, our maths would be easier to relate to, at first, than our language as it deals with things that would be shared with aliens, rather than personal to us. Secondly it would be more useful to understand each other because each's systems reflect their views. |
| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 09:20 | |
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Paul |
I agree with you flying_cucco. back to topic though. I speak Swedish and i know blitz2d, I'm working on a game right now so it will be some time before i could help. As someone said, before anyone joins your project most of ous want to see this web page or at leas a start of it. Hope I'm not sounding annoying or anything but I want to see what I'm signing up to. |
| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 11:10 | |
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HoboBen
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Diablo Their is already a solution to this problem. The rest of the world learns English.I think the part Blitz3Dman pointed out was the Irony in the statement that everyone learns English in a grammatically incorrect sentence. To be honest, I thought you'd written "their" on purpose! Out of interest, were you being serious? If so, why? I mean, the most widely spoken language is Mandarin, more blogs are Japanese than English, and German and Russian are apparently very scientific languages (not that I'd know that for certain, just what I've heard). If I was told tomorow that the offical language for the world is going to be French, I'd be in deep crap! My foreign language skills are less than rubbish
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| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 14:52 | |
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JL235
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I put that down mainly as a joke (their aside). But there is a certain point to it. Most europeans learn english, and it is one of the most important (if not the most important) languages to learn.
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| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 15:06 | |
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Nolan |
DiablosDevil is on the right track. Despite the fact that Mandarin may be more widely used, everyone is migrating towards English. Nearly every non-English speaking country teaches English as a second language. China is no exception. While very few English-speaking people learn Mandarin, there are loads of Chinese learning English. -=-=- nolandc.com
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| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 15:38 | |
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Blitz3Dman
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Hey, people, with the aliens bit, I kind of doubt they would use aribac numbers or roman numerals and our kind of add, subtract, multiply, divide, etcetera if they even exist. communicating with aliens would be futile.
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| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 15:41 | |
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mike_g |
How else would they add or subtract then? |edit| I re-read the post. If we, or they , are clever enough to create machines to transport themselves through space then I doubt there would be too much of a problem with decoding the character symbols especially when both sides are attempting to communicate with each other. |edit| |
| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 15:53 | |
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Blitz3Dman
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erm, sorry, I meant I doubt they would use the -,+,/, and * operator signs. |edit| I just read your edit and saw that this post was unnessesary  |edit|
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| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 15:58 | |
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JL235
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Plenty of other languages are important to learn, but these are usually for more specific examples then for non-English speakers to learn English.
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| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 16:48 | |
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flying_cucco
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Given enough examples, and starting basic enough, I'm sure we could work out their rules inductively. I think whatever system these theoretical aliens might use would be a bit stranger than diffent symbols for plus and minus. In human history, let alone galactic, our numbers, algebra etc. are very new. Nevertheless pi is still pi and the relationship detween radius and area are the same and so on.
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| Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 19:38 | |
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power mousey
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I have a solution to the language problem. Either a universal translator of some kind or some form of telepathy. A very big project in and of itself. Now, ingenium who will be the project leader and what language will you use to write up the design and technical specifications of this working universal translator?? cheers power mousey |
| Tue, 24 Apr 2007, 03:39 | |
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ingenium1 |
the project is dead.
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| Tue, 24 Apr 2007, 09:14 | |
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abc |
That was obvious... |
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