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Fri, 06 Aug 2010, 14:37
spinal
Can any of you guys help?

-Situation-
Comp #1 = Desktop Windows 7
Comp #2 = Laptop Windows 7
Comp #3 = Laptop Windows Vista

#1 has a folder shared to 'everyone'
#2 has a folder shared to 'share'
#3 can access #2 shared folder
#1 can access #3 shared folder
#3 can not access #1 shared folder

When connecting to #2 from #3 you are asked for login details (name/pw), but when trying to connect to #1 all you get is an error -

\\UNKNOWN is not accessible. You might not have permission to use
this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find
out if you have access permissions.

UNKNOWN is #1's name of course.

Anyone able to help?



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Fri, 06 Aug 2010, 14:44
Stealth
Windows networking is a fucking nightmare. Make sure you're all in the same user-groups. Vista is going to have a harder time accessing Windows 7. They really screwed things up in Vista.

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Fri, 06 Aug 2010, 15:15
Jayenkai
Here's how my setup is..

1. Vista : Core middley system.
It has the shared folders setup on a nice little "R:" drive.

It also backs them up to it's secondary harddrive. (Microsoft's SyncToy)

2. Win7 : Connects to R, easy as pie.. except for the inexplicable 10 second delay for the first time that every single program that wants to access it!.. and then again every time you've reset the PC. Annoying.
Instead, I do a single Additional Backup of sync'd folders to C:\ drive, use that, then resync once it's all done. (Microsoft's SyncToy)

3. Linux : Same as #2, connecting to R, except Linux can do it without the stupid delay. Doesn't bother backing up, haven't found a tool yet. Doesn't matter though, since there's no annoying delay. Linux beats Win7

4. Mac : Same as #3, no backup, but no delay either..

For reference, #1 is upstairs, #2/#3 are the same PC downstairs, and #4 is also downstairs.
When doing Mac work I draw it on #2, save it to #1's hard drive, flip over to Mac, and pick it up from #1!
Multi-System-Super-Coding!!!

At no stage have I even bothered to attempt to setup any extra shares. It's just the one.
Once that was working, I just left it as it was.


Once you've got local backups, and easily accessible drives, you'll forget about trying to get things from one system to another.. Just keep reusing one single drive, and make sure it can access it for backups..

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Fri, 06 Aug 2010, 15:20
Stealth
It's embarrassing that Macs network better with Windows than other Windows computers do.

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Fri, 06 Aug 2010, 16:32
HoboBen
This happened to me once; I had to open a port in the windows 7 firewall before I could connect to it. I can't remember which one though, sorry.

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Sat, 07 Aug 2010, 00:14
spinal
We even tried switching the firewall off, still the vista machine could not connect to the windows7 desktop, but could still connect to the windws7 laptop.

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Sat, 07 Aug 2010, 02:56
HoboBen
No idea what to suggest then, unless you want to run the FileZilla FTP Server application and transfer over FTP.

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Sat, 07 Aug 2010, 04:32
mindstorm8191
If this is a single file transfer job, I'd say just email the files to yourself. Yahoo email allows up to 10MB emails at a time, last I heard (a few years ago), that could have been increased by now.

Or, transfer the files to your middle PC. Dunno why there's a difference there though...

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Sat, 07 Aug 2010, 04:37
Jayenkai
.. *shrugs*
Doublecheck the Workgroup, then format everything and start again

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Sat, 07 Aug 2010, 15:13
spinal
The idea was to stream media from the desktop to whichever laptop was free at the time. That's on hold for a little while now I guess. Helen wants to format the vista laptop anyway, maybe that'll fix it.

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Sun, 08 Aug 2010, 13:59
waroffice
I would say check for firewall software (no point if using a normal router setup) some firewall softway like to block everything and ask later.

The port i think you mean is 138 and 139 from the good old netbios days. Check each machine has the same protocols listed too. With it saying \\UNKNOWN is not accessible it sounds like DNS is being daft, try its ip address instead, click start then run and type it there, \\192.168.1.32 for example.


I use a NAS drive, specifically an intel atom board running Freenas

Set it up with a drive and it runs SAMBA/Windows shares or NFS shames, runs on freeBSD and is only 40Mb or summat. Can use rsync for backup that works on mac/linux
Sun, 08 Aug 2010, 14:44
Scherererer
It sounds like a permissions issue to me. If you have advanced sharing enabled, you can see if the networking permissions are set for everyone, then you can also right click on the root folder and set the permissions there. It's weird because there's two places where you can set it, and the one deeper down the tree of the folder properties dialogue allows you to check a box that says like "apply this to all child folders" or something, and when you hit that it should recurse down and set everything right.

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